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Debating the Hydrogen Economy: Michael Liebreich and Erik Rakhou

Cleaning Up Podcast67 minEnglish

Why watch it?

Two different views of hydrogen's future meet in this Cleaning Up Podcast episode, moderated by Andrew Critchlow of S&P Global Commodity Insights. Michael Liebreich argues that physics-driven costs confine hydrogen to a narrow set of uses. Erik Rakhou, author of the book Touching Hydrogen Futures, counters that it is a critical tool for industrial decarbonization, energy resilience and security. They cover green versus blue hydrogen, global ammonia trade routes, European pipeline targets, China's cost curve, carbon pricing versus subsidies, and e-fuels for transport, steel and aviation. Investors and strategists get the strongest case on each side in one place. According to the description, the discussion was first held as an S&P Global webinar in October 2025 and republished here.

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What you will learn

The viewer can distinguish and compare the physics- and cost-based arguments against a hydrogen economy with the arguments for it based on industrial decarbonization and energy security.

Parts to watch

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  1. 02:46–07:32Erik's Optimism, Michael's Skepticism5 min
  2. 18:10–22:34The Economics of Hydrogen4 min
  3. 35:52–40:48Hydrogen is Uncompetitive5 min
  4. 40:48–45:49Pathway to Cheap Hydrogen?5 min
  5. 45:49–53:01Where Are The Use Cases For Hydrogen?7 min

Who is it for?

  • InvestorMarkets, cost and policy outlook
  • IndustryDeployment, supply and plant decisions
  • AcademicResearch agenda and methods

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